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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2010 3:22:06 GMT -5
Basicly a big court ruling stated that selling used software, be it a big store or a person to be a violation of the license most software is under. This could cause a few things to happen.
One, the publishers and developers get a cut of used game sells (This is the one I agree with.)
Two, Publishers have a window for which a new game cannot be sold as used and still gets profits from the company.
Three, No more used game stores. Thats the worst case scenario.
This stink was caused when AutoDesk filed a law suit against Timothy Verno when he tried to resell a program from AutoDesk. Since videogames often follow the same End User Agreement, This could give the publishers the motive to take people like Game Stop to Court.
Whats your thoughts on the situation?
I'm a big used game buyer and I'd rather not see that market disappear, but I do believe the publishers and developers deserve some type of consumption.
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Post by OskyCMK on Sept 15, 2010 14:43:38 GMT -5
I support the developers getting a cut out of used games but I think that will make the retailers jack up used game prices or probably cut down on used games in favor of profiting from new game sales. It will be tricky no doubt.
There was an idea I think I got from David Jaffe on twitter of a multiplayer/online pass card for games. They would be bundled free for new games (as that would be included in the price) and cost extra for used games. I like this.
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Post by Dark Ermac on Sept 15, 2010 14:59:43 GMT -5
Next thing you know, used cars are going to be like this...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2010 17:10:25 GMT -5
Next thing you know, used cars are going to be like this... Problem with that is used cars don't have a User License Agreement that states you cannot resell the car. Not really the same thing because a car cant be sold quite like a video game can be.
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Post by Dark Ermac on Sept 15, 2010 21:21:18 GMT -5
Yeah, that's true.
Still, this doesn't seem right to me.
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Post by alexandre on Sept 19, 2010 19:52:01 GMT -5
I take issue with the User License Agreement if it doesn't allow an item like a game disc to be resold. Books don't have User License Agreements that prevent you from reselling them, and I feel software should be the same. Additionally, I think it is unfair for publishers to ask for a cut of all used sales. Their business is to sell a copy of the game, once that transaction is complete the copy is the possession of the purchaser. The publisher's only consideration should be copyright infringement.
My solution to this problem would be to require modifications to User License Agreements. They are unfair in their present conventions.
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Post by cieran19 on Nov 14, 2010 15:22:33 GMT -5
I remember this piece of news...! This is somewhat of a difficult topic to really have an answer for. I "would" feel bad for the used game stores if their trade in value for even new games was anything but utter garbage. Example: Gamestop can sell a game for $60 for the first year of a game's release(or longer) but will give credit for $25? Really? Not even the cost of a greatest hits title for a 360 or PS3? Then said store's corporation states record sales and profits from this type of policy. Where does it go? Definitely didn't affect the people working retail, they're still getting peanuts. Not to the developers or publishers. Some chains actually do a much more reasonable trade in, but they may not be as abundant as GameStop or could be an independent location. Additionally, depending on where you are you may have a sales tax that is low, medium, insane...or for the lucky few....none! If have to pay that type of tax/fee for a used game, it wouldn't kill an establishment from paying a minor fee as well when reselling it. Would it raise used game prices? It will unless it's prevented by modifications to the User License Agreement, which like alexandre said needs another look act.
I feel differently if it was a person selling it on ebay or amazon as the price of a game is more reasonable(for the most part).
We won't get into PC games...that's another mess...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2010 6:04:50 GMT -5
I don't shop at things like game stops and EB games, who use to be a good alternative to game stop but now it's just a clone of it.
I have a few "Ma' and Pop" stores around here that sell games. I'd rather support that than a corporate giant like game stop. One which sells things from Atari to modern consoles and are not over priced like slackers. Slacker is a bigggggg bigggggg rip off.
For example I bought Armored core 2 and my mom and pop store for 1.24. Saw it at slackers for 20 bucks. Also I tend to by my games off of the internet from other people off of things like amazon and ebay.
Don't get me wrong though. I do buy new games when possible.
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Post by alexandre on Nov 17, 2010 7:06:34 GMT -5
Cheers for supporting local business †Adonael.
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Post by Dark Ermac on Nov 19, 2010 0:54:38 GMT -5
Well, I will know that they're going too far with this when Nintendo expects profit from used NES/SNES games. That would suck.
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Post by cieran19 on Nov 19, 2010 12:27:46 GMT -5
I don't shop at things like game stops and EB games, who use to be a good alternative to game stop but now it's just a clone of it. I have a few "Ma' and Pop" stores around here that sell games. I'd rather support that than a corporate giant like game stop. One which sells things from Atari to modern consoles and are not over priced like slackers. Slacker is a bigggggg bigggggg rip off. For example I bought Armored core 2 and my mom and pop store for 1.24. Saw it at slackers for 20 bucks. Also I tend to by my games off of the internet from other people off of things like amazon and ebay. Don't get me wrong though. I do buy new games when possible. Exactly! ;D Support your local Ma and Pop shops, everyone!
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Post by cieran19 on Nov 19, 2010 12:35:53 GMT -5
Well, I will know that they're going too far with this when Nintendo expects profit from used NES/SNES games. That would suck. It's almost at that point with the main companies. Although, if you look at it another way, we're already there. They're putting up past libraries on the new systems and charging a small fee for it. It's nowhere near complete as the Japanese libraries are ridiculously long compared to here or EU. On the flip side of things, certain titles are expensive as can be under the downloadable library. How that money is allocated, no idea.
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Post by Dark Ermac on Nov 19, 2010 15:42:47 GMT -5
I greatly dislike the fact that Japan's virtual console has practically twice the number of games as the US.
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Post by cieran19 on Nov 19, 2010 17:56:06 GMT -5
I greatly dislike the fact that Japan's virtual console has practically twice the number of games as the US. I want to just learn Japanese and just move over there at this rate.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 19:45:47 GMT -5
EU has titles we don't too. Just not to the extent of the Japanese.
I couldn't live in japan. I'd feel freakishly tall.
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